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beyond michigan. well here to answer that question is the chairman of michigan's democratic party he's mark brewer, the nation's longest-serving party chairman. he joins us from lansing. he knows this stuff in and out. mark, thanks so much for being here in "the war room" on this sad and infuriating night. >> thank you governor. it is great to be with you as always. >> jennifer: all right. tell us what does the success of these bills mean for the democratic party in michigan? >> certainly the intent of the republicans is that this be a mechanism to defund to hurt money that goes to the democratic party. we've obtained rid of videotapes of ron wiser and others talking about this governor. >> jennifer: tell people who ron wiser is. >> ron wiser is the former chair of the republican party here. rich is the dnc finance chair. he along with your former opponent, dick devos and other rich folks have been planning this for years. they couldn't get away with it while you were governor but they saw their oppor
beyond michigan. well here to answer that question is the chairman of michigan's democratic party he's mark brewer, the nation's longest-serving party chairman. he joins us from lansing. he knows this stuff in and out. mark, thanks so much for being here in "the war room" on this sad and infuriating night. >> thank you governor. it is great to be with you as always. >> jennifer: all right. tell us what does the success of these bills mean for the democratic party in...
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this is not uniting michigan. this is dividing michigan. jeff: you lost proposition two. you lost that. the governor said that if i know why he brought this to the floor. >> the governor had signed a number of right-wing bills. teachers would not have, be able to outdo deductions. it was crazy. we see the pattern. we try to preempt that by getting proposition two. too many things on the ballot. we did not pass that. we are here to fight that. jeff: great to talk to you. the economy goes on. we will see what the impact of this is. we will give you one more look of the crowd outside the michigan capital. no violence, thus far. dagen: jeff flock, thank you very much. connell: judge andrew napolitano. the president, president obama actually hit on this yesterday. saying the state has the right to work does not mean it takes away the rights of the union. >> right. in a right to work state, what that means is you have the right to a job in the government cannot force you to join a union or if you refuse to join, take dues and give it to the union. the government and say join th
this is not uniting michigan. this is dividing michigan. jeff: you lost proposition two. you lost that. the governor said that if i know why he brought this to the floor. >> the governor had signed a number of right-wing bills. teachers would not have, be able to outdo deductions. it was crazy. we see the pattern. we try to preempt that by getting proposition two. too many things on the ballot. we did not pass that. we are here to fight that. jeff: great to talk to you. the economy goes...
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i dare you to come to michigan. stuart: i have been to michigan. i have seen it. stuart: apparently rise or close. stuart: they were not. blinded by -- [talking over each other] >> please come back. stuart: a pleasure, thanks very much. the judge is here. [talking over each other] judge napolitano: your patience and diligence in attempting to interrogate somebody who didn't want to answer your questions. stuart: what about this right. you heard what the mayor was saying. make your comment. judge napolitano: writes don't come from the constitution. the constitution does make congress shall grant freedom of speech but shall not interfere with freedom of speech. a right comes for marriage humanity. the constitution restrain the government from interfering with our rights. do we have a natural right to associate? we do and that right is protected in the constitution. do we have the right not to associate? we do and that right is protected in the constitution so if people want to form a labor union they are free to do so it has protected and given us aspect of our live
i dare you to come to michigan. stuart: i have been to michigan. i have seen it. stuart: apparently rise or close. stuart: they were not. blinded by -- [talking over each other] >> please come back. stuart: a pleasure, thanks very much. the judge is here. [talking over each other] judge napolitano: your patience and diligence in attempting to interrogate somebody who didn't want to answer your questions. stuart: what about this right. you heard what the mayor was saying. make your...
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. >>> michigan lawmakers have taken the final step toward returning traditional pro union stronghold into a right to work stay katie marzullo is live in the newsroom with the latest. >> reporter: to bring this home, california is not a right to work state. unions here can make workers join and pay dues. michigan going in the opposite direction, less than two hours ago the house passed right to work legislation, affecting public sector workers they passed it 58-51. representatives had already ok'd second bill focusing on private sector employees the senate approved both last week. with thousands circling outside the capitol in lansing, and another 2,000 plus inside, the michigan house has approved the second of two contentious right to work bills that weaken union power in the pro labor state. worker reaction was swift and angry. >> getting lied to, with we done like it. >> reporter: if and when legislation clears the governor's desk, michigan will be the 24th right to work state that means nonunion employs won't be forced to pay unions for services. backers say it will bring more job
. >>> michigan lawmakers have taken the final step toward returning traditional pro union stronghold into a right to work stay katie marzullo is live in the newsroom with the latest. >> reporter: to bring this home, california is not a right to work state. unions here can make workers join and pay dues. michigan going in the opposite direction, less than two hours ago the house passed right to work legislation, affecting public sector workers they passed it 58-51. representatives...
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jeff flock is in lansing michigan covering the story for us. i thought it was interesting how you covered the scene there with michigan a few years back, excuse me, wisconsin. >> wisconsin, exactly. not the same kind of intensity. part of that is because this is already pretty much a done deal. there they had not a teacher headed off. the second one being debated right now. but renew over here to the scene of the george romney state office building. george romney, former governor of wisconsin, and father of mitt romney. the large group of protesters are trying to get into the crowd and see. they have essentially ringed the entrance of the building trying to make their voices heard. they feel very frustrated. they feel this had passed in a lame duck session without the opportunity for there to be more debate about it. that is their feeling. at this point you mentioned a little bit of white you could call it violence. nothing serious at this point, but we want to keep an eye on this because there are lots of folks, pretty hard to believe michigan
jeff flock is in lansing michigan covering the story for us. i thought it was interesting how you covered the scene there with michigan a few years back, excuse me, wisconsin. >> wisconsin, exactly. not the same kind of intensity. part of that is because this is already pretty much a done deal. there they had not a teacher headed off. the second one being debated right now. but renew over here to the scene of the george romney state office building. george romney, former governor of...
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is right for michigan. tell us in a nutshell, what are you trying to do? >> create an experiment in michigan where we have labor freedom, defined as where unions are free to make their case as workers are to make their choice, dana. >> so originally governor snyder when he started his term, this wasn't necessarily at the top of his agenda. he had the budget deficit situation, the job killing tax he tried to get fix, but saw the results in indiana when governor mitch daniels made indiana a right to work state. is that what michigan is looking to, to try to figure out how to jump-start this economy that's lagged at 18.9% unemployment rate? it's too much to bear for workers there. >> governor snyder has been consistent from the beginning that it wasn't on his agenda yet, but he's been successful at leading us through dramatic changes in michigan. we are the comeback state, but now with the data that we've received from the blessings of having to work through proposal two, it's clear that they want us to become
is right for michigan. tell us in a nutshell, what are you trying to do? >> create an experiment in michigan where we have labor freedom, defined as where unions are free to make their case as workers are to make their choice, dana. >> so originally governor snyder when he started his term, this wasn't necessarily at the top of his agenda. he had the budget deficit situation, the job killing tax he tried to get fix, but saw the results in indiana when governor mitch daniels made...
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demonstrators came from all over michigan and neighboring states. united auto worker, teamsters, brotherhood of ewhether he can tri call workers and school teachers. the school district reports 750 staffers called in sick and schools were closed. this is a fight that the michigan governor, republican rick snyder said he did not want. he says he warned labor proponents against an effort called proposition two. which would have enshrineed selective bargaining rights in the michigan constitution. that ballot issue failed in the november election. >> what continued after that is start of the discussion right to work. >> it became a loud and boisterous discussion. so i felt at times in terms of the good leadership to say i didn't want it on my agenda now. it's here. >> demonstrators say working men and women are the subject of political retribution. >> retribution for standing up and fighting for working people. they want to us attack the different groups. they attack us. >> right to work legislation would outlaw the mandatory union due and membership as
demonstrators came from all over michigan and neighboring states. united auto worker, teamsters, brotherhood of ewhether he can tri call workers and school teachers. the school district reports 750 staffers called in sick and schools were closed. this is a fight that the michigan governor, republican rick snyder said he did not want. he says he warned labor proponents against an effort called proposition two. which would have enshrineed selective bargaining rights in the michigan constitution....
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we want a michigan for everybody. and i think you see the turnout today, you hear the reaction around the state of michigan, people don't want the right-wing agenda that's being passed in this lame duck. >> reporter: here's my question. the argument that the governor makes and republicans here and supporters of this is why not give individual workers a choice to join the union if they want to join the union. wouldn't it make you and the leaders of the unions present a case to be part of it? why not give them that choice? >> they already have that choice. again, the right wing doesn't put the honest facts out there. under u.s. labor law, people have a choice -- >> reporter: that's true, but if you work on the line at ford or gw -- or gm, you have to pay in a large percentage of those union dues. that's the way it works. >> you don't have to be a union member. but you have to pay your fair share. just like if you live in a community, you pay for your fair share of the road cleaning, of the police, of the fire. people wh
we want a michigan for everybody. and i think you see the turnout today, you hear the reaction around the state of michigan, people don't want the right-wing agenda that's being passed in this lame duck. >> reporter: here's my question. the argument that the governor makes and republicans here and supporters of this is why not give individual workers a choice to join the union if they want to join the union. wouldn't it make you and the leaders of the unions present a case to be part of...
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>>> incredible scenes out of lansing, michigan. earlier today the michigan legislature passed the right to work bill essentially ending mandatory union payments all in a state that gave birth to u affi aw. goes to members desk. live in lansing, joe. >> reporter: well, it got ugly here a little while ago. the demonstrators parked in front of the capital most of the day. this is the scene just outside the capital across the street and in front of the governor's office. massive state police troopers have tried to force the crowd north down the streets to try to get them from the front of the governor's office. we understand the governor is going to sign this legislation any minute now or any time this afternoon. as can you see there's a very, very large standoff, if you will, right now, both front and back of us of supporters of organized labor in the state of michigan and elsewhere, as well as michigan state police trooper trying to keep some sort of semblance of order here. again, the house in michigan passed legislation earlier tod
>>> incredible scenes out of lansing, michigan. earlier today the michigan legislature passed the right to work bill essentially ending mandatory union payments all in a state that gave birth to u affi aw. goes to members desk. live in lansing, joe. >> reporter: well, it got ugly here a little while ago. the demonstrators parked in front of the capital most of the day. this is the scene just outside the capital across the street and in front of the governor's office. massive...
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unitedhealthcare. >>> moments ago the michigan house approved a right to work bill. the state senate passed last week arks coringed to the associated press. republican governor rick snyder is expected to sign that bill into law. too would make michigan the 24th state to approve a right to work law, which exempts employees in a union workplace from joining or paying dues to that union. meanwhile, pro-union protesters are swarming the michigan capital building in lansing in scenes reminiscent of the battles over union rights in wisconsin and in ohio last year. david corn, we -- the president has sort of -- was in michigan yesterday, and bundled this into a bigger message about the middle class, working americans. is this a good time for republicans to be on the side -- well, against workers rights in the context of this broader conversation we're having? >> you know, we shall see here because they clearly have the votes and snyder says he is going to do this. you see the response. you saw the response in wisconsin. their walker survived the fight. i assume this will be
unitedhealthcare. >>> moments ago the michigan house approved a right to work bill. the state senate passed last week arks coringed to the associated press. republican governor rick snyder is expected to sign that bill into law. too would make michigan the 24th state to approve a right to work law, which exempts employees in a union workplace from joining or paying dues to that union. meanwhile, pro-union protesters are swarming the michigan capital building in lansing in scenes...
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take you there live to michigan for the latest. >>> signs of hope. are president obama and speaker boehner about to give birth to a two-party fiscal cliff deal? how both sides are trying to meet in the sensible center. >>> and history making newlyweds. robbie perry and paris prince are the first male couple to be celebrated four their wedding in "jet" magazine's famous love section. the men join me on their history making moment and breaking stereotypes. can your moisturizer do that? [ female announcer ] dermatologist recommended aveeno has an oat formula, now proven to build a moisture reserve, so skin can replenish itself. that's healthy skin for life. only from aveeno. look this isn't my first christmas. these deals all seem great at the time... but later... [ shirt ] merry christmas, everybody! not so much. ho ho ho! this isn't that kind of deal. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. save on ground shipping at fedex office. to the best vacation sp(all) the gulf! [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. it doesn't matter which
take you there live to michigan for the latest. >>> signs of hope. are president obama and speaker boehner about to give birth to a two-party fiscal cliff deal? how both sides are trying to meet in the sensible center. >>> and history making newlyweds. robbie perry and paris prince are the first male couple to be celebrated four their wedding in "jet" magazine's famous love section. the men join me on their history making moment and breaking stereotypes. can your...
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topping the agenda this hour, breaking news out of michigan. the fight coming to a head over that state's right to work law as thousands of protesters swarched the state capital. union supporters are rallying around the capital building itself in lansing as gop lawmakers from both state houses vote on a bill that would significantly weaken union rights in a state considered one of the cradles of the labor movement. the law prohibits workers from being required to pay union dues as a condition of employment. republican governor schneider saying that he'll sign that bill right away making michigan the 24th state with the right to work. >>> yesterday president obama joined the chorus of voices condemning this move. >> by the way, what we shouldn't do, i just got to say this, what we shouldn't be doing is taking away your right to bargain for better wages. giving you the right to work for less money. >> nbc is live from lansing, michigan, and from detroit i'm joined by michigan democratic congressman gary peters. ron, i'm going to start with you. d
topping the agenda this hour, breaking news out of michigan. the fight coming to a head over that state's right to work law as thousands of protesters swarched the state capital. union supporters are rallying around the capital building itself in lansing as gop lawmakers from both state houses vote on a bill that would significantly weaken union rights in a state considered one of the cradles of the labor movement. the law prohibits workers from being required to pay union dues as a condition...
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this is to move michigan forward. about more and better jobs and worker choice. >> thank you very much, governor. thanks for joining us on a busy day. obviously there on the capitol. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> joining me in the studio for her take on what we've just heard from governor snyder and also the current state of the fiscal cliff negotiations in washington is our colleague and friend ruth marcus from "the washington post." columnist for "the washington post." ruth, this whole issue in the midwest, this used to be most likely in the southern states, but this really is moving, and we're seeing a real decline in union household membership about half what it was 40 years ago. it used to be 24%. now it's 11.8%. >> unions are reeling, and the more states that enact measures like this, the more unions will be reeling. their penetration, the private sector is something like 7% of the private sector work force is unionized, and i have to say -- i don't use words like this very often, i thought some of
this is to move michigan forward. about more and better jobs and worker choice. >> thank you very much, governor. thanks for joining us on a busy day. obviously there on the capitol. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> joining me in the studio for her take on what we've just heard from governor snyder and also the current state of the fiscal cliff negotiations in washington is our colleague and friend ruth marcus from "the washington post." columnist for...
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traveled to michigan yesterday. john boehner went on the floor and said i need to see their spending cuts. that's what's going on in the public level. privately staff are working together and the fundamentals remain in place for a deal. don't know if it's before or after christmas or before new years or just after it, but i believe will happen. >> all the vacations are planned, right? >> we've reached one of the weirdest days because speaker boehner came out and said the president has not offered specific spending cuts and the president says we've offered spending cuts and it's gotten to this point of childish points and these guys are saying did not and these guys are saying did, too, and these guys again saying did not. i agree with john. they need to get really close then because then there's a sense of urgency and that's what they feel like they can get the votes to get this done right up to the edge of disaster. >> it's not he said, she said. they have put out spending cuts. >> $600 billion that the president t
traveled to michigan yesterday. john boehner went on the floor and said i need to see their spending cuts. that's what's going on in the public level. privately staff are working together and the fundamentals remain in place for a deal. don't know if it's before or after christmas or before new years or just after it, but i believe will happen. >> all the vacations are planned, right? >> we've reached one of the weirdest days because speaker boehner came out and said the president...
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michigan. massive crowds gathering at the state capitol. they're protesting the state's right to work law. the lawmakers set to cast the final votes inside that building this morning. we understand the governor is very ready to sign that into law. very controversial situation going on live in lansing. good morning, everybody, i'm martha maccallum. you are here in america's nice room. >> i'm gregg jarrett in for bill gregg: the right to work vote will mean unions will no longer force workers to pay dues. that the birthplace of the powerful united auto workers union. martha: this has huge national implications over the power of organized labor. governor rick snyder believes there will be more job. he believes the protests hurt more than they help. here he is. >> if you go forward you will create a environment involving labor issues this could rise to the lebl level where i might not keep it off my agenda. i'm not happy about being in this situation. >> he has the responsibility as our leader avoi
michigan. massive crowds gathering at the state capitol. they're protesting the state's right to work law. the lawmakers set to cast the final votes inside that building this morning. we understand the governor is very ready to sign that into law. very controversial situation going on live in lansing. good morning, everybody, i'm martha maccallum. you are here in america's nice room. >> i'm gregg jarrett in for bill gregg: the right to work vote will mean unions will no longer force...
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to pass in the state of michigan is a huge development. that is the heart of organized labor. a defeat there could signal trouble if unions across the nation. we have mike tobin from the capital in lansing. what is the status of the legislation? >>reporter: a bill regarding right-to-work for public sector employees is on the way to the governor's desk. a similar bill for private employees is hung up by a motion to reconsider which needs to be approved by the legislature falling on party lines. the motion will fail. it is a way of saying the bill related to private sector employees is on the way to the governor's desk but taking a longer time to get there. the democratic leadership will admit right-to-work is going to be a reality in the cradle of organized labor. >>shepard: what is the scene like? >>reporter: it is calmed down. there was a dustup earlier. there was only one other incident, a female trooper was pulled in the crowd and a fellow trooper pulled out pepper spray and ended it with one blast. what we heard from the unions is a lot of noise. they have gone to the geor
to pass in the state of michigan is a huge development. that is the heart of organized labor. a defeat there could signal trouble if unions across the nation. we have mike tobin from the capital in lansing. what is the status of the legislation? >>reporter: a bill regarding right-to-work for public sector employees is on the way to the governor's desk. a similar bill for private employees is hung up by a motion to reconsider which needs to be approved by the legislature falling on party...
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lansing, michigan today. police are being called in. the bill with would make it illegal to require payment of union dues as a condition of employment. critics say it is a way to break unions supporters say it is good for workers. democrats are upset saying the ran-not dated legislature shoved the measure -- the republican-dominate -- >>> europe's bank agreeing to pay a fine for anotherly -- for nearly two billion dollars and sorry for past mistakes. facebook making change to infrastructure. officials gathering today for start of two day meeting. fed will unleash new round of bond buying designed to keep interest rates low. higher close yesterday. if you are looking for a bargain now could be a good time to pick up a pick-up. general motors boosting buyer insensitives trying to dump extra stock and keep up with better deals on-ramps and nissan titans. at the new york stock exchange, i'm jane king. >>> 5:46. this afternoon as you drive home or after you get home and have dinner that you see the rain? >> may ha
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alisyn: start this hour in michigan. fox's mike tobin is at the statehouse among proterse still outside. he joins us live. it looks notably quiet this hour, mike. what is happening. >> reporter: an update on the legislation, allison. one of the bills related to public employees is on the way to the governor's desk where the governor says will sign it. another bill related to private sectors employees was approved by the senate but hung up in a bit of procedure called reviseal. looks like that will come back into the chambers again tomorrow. a review, pardon me. as far as what's going on behind me the numbers have dwindled quite a bit. a lot of demonstrators gone across the street to the romney building where the governor's office is. they're banging drums. if you see the white swath on the ground behind us that is the tent operated by the group, americans for prosperity. the conservative organization linked to the coke brothers. an individual named scott was there when it was torn down. >> they rushed our chant. chanting
alisyn: start this hour in michigan. fox's mike tobin is at the statehouse among proterse still outside. he joins us live. it looks notably quiet this hour, mike. what is happening. >> reporter: an update on the legislation, allison. one of the bills related to public employees is on the way to the governor's desk where the governor says will sign it. another bill related to private sectors employees was approved by the senate but hung up in a bit of procedure called reviseal. looks like...
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we want to begin in michigan. take a look. >> we are -- >> union. >> the sound of protesters chanting, filled the state house gallery in lansing, while inside the capital chamber the republican-led legislature passed not just one, two right to work bills. one was for the public workers. the second, which passed moments ago, covers workers in the private sector. with the passing of both bills here, michigan will become the 24th right to work state, all that is left for that to happen, for the republican governor to sign it. rick snyder promises to do exactly that, probably tomorrow. look at more pictures we have for you here. more than 12,000 protesters gathered in freezing temperatures. i think i saw some snow falling earlier there in lansing as the lawmakers were inside, voting. and, against the odds, democrats waged a final losing battle. poppy harlow, let me bring you in there, amidst all of this in lansing. set the scene for me, now that we know, poppy, both the bills passed. what is the reaction like in the c
we want to begin in michigan. take a look. >> we are -- >> union. >> the sound of protesters chanting, filled the state house gallery in lansing, while inside the capital chamber the republican-led legislature passed not just one, two right to work bills. one was for the public workers. the second, which passed moments ago, covers workers in the private sector. with the passing of both bills here, michigan will become the 24th right to work state, all that is left for that to...
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we'll take you back to michigan as we hear more. obviously a lot of people on both sides debating this today. rick: we're all over that important story. we're also following new developments out of north korea and that country's plan to test a long range rocket. the launch was scheduled to happen any day now. north korea dismantling the rocket to take it off the lawn of pad. is the north caving in to international pressure or could this mean something else entirely. >>> also a kansas family murdered in their homes. the year, 1959. that story brought to live in the chilling crime book. "in cold blood." clues in florida to another family murdered in florida may be tied it this. dr. michael baden looking at brand new developments in a old case. when we come right back. [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just finished a bowl of your new light chicken pot pie soup and it's so rich and creamy... is it really 100 calories? let me put you on webcan... ...lean roasted chicken... and a creamy broth mmm i can still see you. [ male announcer ]
we'll take you back to michigan as we hear more. obviously a lot of people on both sides debating this today. rick: we're all over that important story. we're also following new developments out of north korea and that country's plan to test a long range rocket. the launch was scheduled to happen any day now. north korea dismantling the rocket to take it off the lawn of pad. is the north caving in to international pressure or could this mean something else entirely. >>> also a kansas...
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if governor snyder signs this bill in michigan as expected, michigan would be the most heavily unionized right to work state in the country. alison kosik, describe what's happening now. demonstrators are starting to gather outside of the capitol. are they going to be allowed inside as this historic legislation is passed? >> reporter: they are inside right now as well as outside, so behind me you've got several hundred protesters that began arriving, even before daylight, with their signs, some inflatable rafts, often a symbol of union protests, sitting on the lawn outside here and inside, yes, there are protesters inside, especially right where the gallery is, right where the house floor is, because they want to watch the house in action when it begins in session at 10:00 a.m. in about an hour, so they'll be able to watch the legislative process at work. but there's a huge spillover crowd inside the capitol building, a huge crowd, a couple hundred, in each rotunda on three floors chanting, you can hear their voices inside the capital, once you walk in, you can hear their voices reverb ra
if governor snyder signs this bill in michigan as expected, michigan would be the most heavily unionized right to work state in the country. alison kosik, describe what's happening now. demonstrators are starting to gather outside of the capitol. are they going to be allowed inside as this historic legislation is passed? >> reporter: they are inside right now as well as outside, so behind me you've got several hundred protesters that began arriving, even before daylight, with their signs,...
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for michigan workers. you have hard working people in michigan. this is giving workers choice. >> republicans lost five seats in the michigan legislature last month and democrats accused them of fast tracking the right to work bill through the house and senate in a single day last week to get it done before the new legislature takes office next month. the democratic members of congress tried to pressure legislators not to approve the bill. they were scolded by the state house speaker for pressuring lansing instead of dealing with the fiscal cliff. >> gretchen: wendell goler, thanks very much. >> steve: let's switch down to our nation's capitol and at the bureau, you can see -- >> you guys, doocy and everybody that -- you guys look like you should break out into "i'll be home for christmas" with that set. i mean, boling, come on, you got to chime in. this is unbelievable! ♪ the most wonderful time of the year ♪ ♪ . >> andy williams is rolling over in his grave right now. >> eric: i wore my christmas t
for michigan workers. you have hard working people in michigan. this is giving workers choice. >> republicans lost five seats in the michigan legislature last month and democrats accused them of fast tracking the right to work bill through the house and senate in a single day last week to get it done before the new legislature takes office next month. the democratic members of congress tried to pressure legislators not to approve the bill. they were scolded by the state house speaker for...
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let me ask you this about michigan workers. there are some who actually support this new legislation. >> reporter: they do. that's a very good point, wolf. it's a minority. you have the majority of union workers that are fighting this because they think it's going to be lower wages, less bargaining power. but i spoke with a former union worker who was with ford for 16 years. i met with him first this summer when we were here in michigan covering the election and the campaign here. he's been fighting for two years to get this right to work legislation passed and here's why. you support the right to work legislation but you're going to stay a member of the union and pay those union dues. >> that's right. >> reporter: so what changes for you now? >> it will give me a voice. it will give me leverage inside the union. under current law, i can retire but i still have to pay the union so they don't care. >> reporter: and that's what is critical in all of this, wolf. the unions are going to have to make a very good case to every worker
let me ask you this about michigan workers. there are some who actually support this new legislation. >> reporter: they do. that's a very good point, wolf. it's a minority. you have the majority of union workers that are fighting this because they think it's going to be lower wages, less bargaining power. but i spoke with a former union worker who was with ford for 16 years. i met with him first this summer when we were here in michigan covering the election and the campaign here. he's...
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bean. >>> want to take you to lansing, michigan. this video shot a few moments ago where the state legislature is considering making michigan the 24th right to work state. basically restricting unions in what is obviously a stronghold of organized labor. this is the scene outside the capitol which has already been closed because it was filled to capacity. an estimated 10,000 people demonstrating outside where it's about 25 degrees. also several school districts in michigan have been closed as the teachers there have gone to lansing to join the rallies. quite a scene today in michigan. >>> meantime, time for a capital markets op-ed. gary, we mentioned madoff. it's hard to believe it's been four years. >> as a matter of fact, david and i were just talking about it offset. it was 3:00 four years ago today. i got a phone call. you're not going to believe this. they finally got madoff. faber and i had been chatting about it probably for close to a decade. remember, within the industry, the numbers, the performance, this was something tha
bean. >>> want to take you to lansing, michigan. this video shot a few moments ago where the state legislature is considering making michigan the 24th right to work state. basically restricting unions in what is obviously a stronghold of organized labor. this is the scene outside the capitol which has already been closed because it was filled to capacity. an estimated 10,000 people demonstrating outside where it's about 25 degrees. also several school districts in michigan have been...